Notary Bulletin Q&A: Powers Of Attorney, And How To Handle Them By NNA Staff on July 12, 2012 in Hotline Tips, Signing Professionals, Best Practices, Financial and Corporate Services, Legal Professionals, Immigration, Laws & Regulations, Healthcare Professionals Whether a signer seeks a power of attorney (POA) for another person or is signing on behalf of a principal, powers of attorney add an extra layer of complexity to notarizations. Because it’s tempting for a dishonest person to abuse their positions when acting as another person’s representative, Notaries need to be especially alert for problems when notarial acts involve powers of attorney. The Section spoke with Bernard A. Krooks, founding partner of Littman Krooks LLP and past president of the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys, to answer questions Notaries have asked about notarizations involving POA documents and representative signers. Many states don’t require signers to show Notaries proof they have power of attorney when signing on behalf of another person and having their signature notarized. Do you recommend that Notaries ask to see evidence a signer has power of attorney anyway, even if that’s not required by state law? Any time you’re asked to notarize a document, you not only need to see the signer’s ID but if they are acting on behalf of someone else, you should ask to see the document giving them that authority. I would recommend going even farther and also ask the signer to sign an affidavit that the power of attorney is still in force and in effect. A Notary recently called the NNA about an unusual situation involving a POA. The signer wanted to use an existing power of attorney to sign and have a document notarized granting herself expanded authority over her mother’s affairs. Can a signer use a power of attorney to increase their own representative capacity? Is it appropriate to notarize in this situation, or should the Notary refuse? The signer cannot do that. The only person who could expand the signer’s original power of attorney would the principal — the mother in this case. The agent can’t expand her power of attorney herself. She can delegate some powers to others if the original document authorizes doing so, but can’t add powers to herself. What are danger signs Notaries should look for if an elderly signer asks for a power of attorney to be notarized and the designated representative is present? It’s certainly not uncommon for people to take care of estate planning or powers of attorney in the company of friends or relatives. In many states, including New York, the agent is now required to sign the power of attorney document so it’s typical for the person named as the agent to be present. But if the Notary observes the signer appears to only be signing to appease the agent — for example, the agent says to the signer “I won’t take you to the doctor any more if you won’t sign this,” — that’s coercion or fraud. If a Notary sees this, the Notary needs to step back, ask the would-be agent to leave the room and talk to signer alone to ensure that the signer is willing. Email Share CommentsAdd your commentAbbey14 Aug 2014We got a POA onloine and my husband signed it before we realized it had to be notarized. will anyone still notarize it?National Notary Association14 Aug 2014Hello Abbey, Whether a previously written signature on a document can be notarized depends on the type of notarial act requested. If a Notary is asked to acknowledge a signature, the signature may be written prior to appearing before the Notary, but the signer must appear in person and provide satisfactory proof of identity. If a Notary is asked to perform a jurat, the signature must be written in the Notary's presence. Because nonattorney Notaries may not advise you on legal requirements for documents, you may wish to consult with a lawyer to determine what type of notarization is required for the signature on the power of attorney and whether the document will need to be re-signed in the presence of a Notary Public. Connie Sinn13 Aug 2014Do I have to have an attorney present when signing a POA in front of a notary or do I just need a witness?National Notary Association13 Aug 2014Hello Connie, Unfortunately, we can't provide legal advice regarding the requirements for preparing a power of attorney document. To find out if you require a witness or attorney present when having a power of attorney document prepared and signed, we recommend consulting with a qualified attorney. Leslie Roden28 Jul 2014How does the POA agent sign? Do they just sign their name or do they have to add special wording to there signature " on behalf of" or something of that nature?National Notary Association30 Jul 2014Hello Leslie, thanks for your question. A person with power of attorney normally indicates that they are signing as "attorney in fact" for a principal. Here's two common examples how a power of attorney might be signed, where John Doe has power of attorney to sign on behalf of Mary Roe: "John Doe, attorney in fact for Mary Roe, principal" "Mary Roe, by John Doe, attorney in fact" It's important to remember that because the attorney in fact is the person who appears before you and signs the document, it is the attorney in fact's name that is entered in the certificate wording-not the principal's. More information on handling powers of attorney is available in our June 2014 magazine Beyond The Basics article, page 23. If you're an NNA member, you can log in to read the article at http://www.nationalnotary.org/knowledge-center/news/the-national-notary. Thanks and have a great day. judith ortiz25 Jul 2014Can poa agents be added if the primary agent's health has become compromised and the principle is not able to .ale her own decisions?National Notary Association25 Jul 2014Hi Judith, Whether a person can legally be granted power of attorney or not would be a legal question which would need to be answered by a qualified attorney.Leave a Comment Required * Name * Email *(for verfication purposes only) Comment * Enter the text shown in this image *(text is case sensitive)All comments are reviewed and if approved, will display.